11-27-2009, 06:01 PM | #1 |
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F10 M5 Specs???
With the recent release of the new 5-series comes some serious curiousity.
Its safe to say that the TT v8, found in the X5M/X6M, will be lowered into this monster. But what will the output of the motor be in comparision? Do you guys think it will be rated at 555hp, or will it be up above 600? The X6M sprints to 60 in roughly 4.1-4.2 seconds. Can we anticipate sub 4 second performance? Another thing that has perked my attention is "Tuneablity". Just like our beloved n54, this motor has two hair dryers attached to it. Any word on possible tunes for the engine? Answers please |
11-27-2009, 06:33 PM | #2 |
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I don't think official power numbers will be over 600HP, but sub-4s 0-60 runs are pretty likely. No idea on tuneability - under 4.0s 0-60 not enough?
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11-28-2009, 12:12 AM | #6 |
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This speculation is going to go on for a long time. The M5 didn't come out for 2 years after the E60 debuted. My dealer told me to expect the same delay for this one.
Don't get me wrong....I can't wait to find out more about this beast as I want it in my garage too. |
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11-29-2009, 12:43 AM | #9 |
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Thanks! I'm going to guess that you might have done a little more homework than the sales guy we were talking to.
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11-30-2009, 05:33 PM | #11 |
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I am pretty sure they will leave it in the same power output as the X5/X6M. Unlike AMG, BMW does no like to have different output from the same engine just for marketing purpouse. Besides, even at the same power level it will be the one of the most powerful car in its calss.
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The X5M has 305's on the back...which I'm pretty sure aren't going to fit on the new M5. |
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BMW had done this back then with the E39. The early models had the thin kidney grill surrounds and when the M5 came out, they also updated the kidney grill surrounds to a thicker version which then replaced all the e39 models that was built after 9/2000. The F10 kidney grills is wider though compared to the E60 model.
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12-10-2009, 06:23 AM | #15 |
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It's silly to say that they won't be able to control this dramatic increase in torque compared to the old M5 but there is no doubt it will cause them headaches. Putting upwards on 555hp and similar amounts of torque through only the rear tyres is awfully difficult, especially when more of the weight is placed else where. This thing has the potential to light up the rear wheels well into third gear with relative ease and that will probably be in the dry.
I question the sanity of this amount of power in a rwd family saloon and I don't doubt given the option that BMW would have preferred to not have increased the amount the E60 already had but to compete they had little option. It will be interesting to see how things play out and to see if this amount of power isn't a backward step. Another interesting thing is KERS and whether it's part of the package and if so will it power the front axle to help aid traction and stability. |
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Tight lipped is something I have been use to over the years, but especially so in the recent months since the arse fell out of the world's economy. Either could be a possibility but such a setup at the front would cause their ideal 50/50 balance to be very difficult to obtain. Though I honestly believe it would be the right decision. |
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The E55 AMG had 516lbt of torque and it managed to hook that up through the rear wheels with devastating results. Even look at the modified E55's pushing 600+ Hp and matching torque driving deep into the 11's and high 10's I think a more sophisticated Dynamic stability control system would be the easiest way to utilize the big power this car will have. Just look at the boost ramp used on HPF ///M3's. What is sane when speaking of 500hp "family sedans" ? Im sorry but when you playing in this realm, sanitity can't be applied. These are uber powerfull flagships and while I wish the focus was on providing the best possible driving experience (power to weight and response) unfortunately people expect big output from these monsters and alot of the consumers in this market only want to see bigger "numbers" (BHP/TQ). Not that im complaining, i just wish we could have gotten an F10 ///M5 with the E60 ///M5 CSL 5.5 with DCT and drop maybe 100 pounds in weight. But emissions have killed it for us so on with the relentless march of "progress"... |
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That is your personal opinion, I on the other hand don't agree that the mighty AMGs cope that great with their kind of power and nowhere near as well as a car like the RS6 can. My I suggest you try and use all the available power without the ESP button enabled, what you will get is clouds of smoke, a very lively tail and a third of your tyre life at best.
You quote acceleration times based of dragstrip figures, a surface designed to aid traction on cars with ten times this amount of power. Maybe in your world that is the only thing of importance but in the realms of the real world these cars have to cope with normal roads, changing weathers and average driving skills. So manufacturers have a duty to make even their looniest models a little sane. |
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F458. They have increased the power consistently each successive model without having to resort to leaving a RWD layout for an AWD in the quest for maintaining traction. Yes an RS6 Provides wonderfull traction, but pure straight line acceleration can get boring after a while. Having to balance the power to control the rear end on corner exit or in fact controlling a slide from the apex to track out point is much more exciting in my opinion. As an ///M owner and part of a 3 ///M household it is this balance that excites us most. In the end we prefer fun wheel drive over outright traction in any condition but that being said a DSC mode created in the same light as ferrari's mannetinio F1 system could provide the best of both worlds. Also as you can see my world is centered on road racing and autocrossing, with a Z4 ///M Coupe at that. Straightline acceleration is all fun and good, but for me is the corners that get my pulse racing and really seperate the men from the boys. |
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