BMW M5 and M6 Tuned by Hartge to 642 HP

M54ccibo · 01-24-2013, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by M54ccibo

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Originally Posted by Rob///M5

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Originally Posted by AndreyATC

Are these WHP?
How did they come up with these numbers?

Also, factory numbers are underrated, so is it really 82hp increase?

Totally. I dyno'd stock 641whp. So, who's to say there's any gain at all. Put it side by side in a race.

Rob, are you sure 641whp? I think that may be extrapolated crank...544whp assuming 15% drivetrain loss is 641 crank. I dynoed yesterday 535whp, 487 ft-lbs, stock.

Posted just before me!! Still, these beasts are way under-rated. FWIW, Rob and I got results on the same dyno but different days.

i001947 · 01-24-2013, 07:47 PM

Nice touches for a M5.

cidair · 01-25-2013, 01:21 AM

543whp is very impressive for a stock car!
I'm not overly impressed with the Hartge figures.
Maybe if it's a 82hp gain over stock - then we are talking over 700hp at the crank.....!

M54ccibo · 01-25-2013, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cidair

543whp is very impressive for a stock car!
I'm not overly impressed with the Hartge figures.
Maybe if it's a 82hp gain over stock - then we are talking over 700hp at the crank.....!

Totally agree. 543 stock!!!

smashhell · 01-25-2013, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cidair

543whp is very impressive for a stock car!
I'm not overly impressed with the Hartge figures.
Maybe if it's a 82hp gain over stock - then we are talking over 700hp at the crank.....!

No they are saying the M5 is already making 640hp stock since it does 540 whp. This tune does nothing.
As a comparison, the CTSV which advertise 555hp only dyno 490 whp.
2012 GTR Which advertise 530hp only dyno 430 whp.
BMW is really working their magic

Wideboy · 01-25-2013, 04:11 AM

hate it when they replace the logo, and add ugly stickers everywhere wtf

bavarian19 · 01-25-2013, 05:30 AM

The only thing I have liked from Hartge is their wheels. I know they are heavy, but they look good.

Oh, the old V10 Z4 was real nice too!

Boss330 · 01-25-2013, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Wideboy

hate it when they replace the logo, and add ugly stickers everywhere wtf

Hartge is classed as a auto manufacturer in Germany and the cars are registered as a Hartge, not a BMW (at least that's what they used to do). That's why they also have to remove the BMW badges, as it's not a BMW anymore.

Never Convicted · 01-25-2013, 08:51 AM

Looks like a Beetleboard.

biglare · 01-25-2013, 10:17 AM

Yaaahhh! Let's make some power increase claims and provide no evidence to back it up!

Where are the dyno's, and comparo vids?

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secretariat · 01-25-2013, 11:48 AM

0-62 mph in 4.2 seconds? Am I completely confused about this. I thought the M5 stock was faster than that. If these numbers are correct than that tune was well worth it. NOT

Boss330 · 01-25-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by biglare

Yaaahhh! Let's make some power increase claims and provide no evidence to back it up!

Where are the dyno's, and comparo vids?

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Tried Yotube?

This shows the difference in acceleration before/after the tune.

jmh · 01-25-2013, 04:44 PM

And some more info at
http://www.hartge.de/UploadPDF/F10%2...2011500560.pdf
and http://www.hartge.de/ under M --> F10 M5 -- > Engine
for pricing/video
Hartge is a very reputable tuner and their tunes/products have always been top-notch
It's just a shame that Turner is not doing more with them like they've been in the past.
I'd rather use their tune than any other two man garage company offering them today....

TheRealOrosie · 01-25-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jonmaceng

640hp and 0 to 60 in 4.2 seconds?? Is that a typo? I think a tuned 335i pulls off around the same 0 to 60...

My e92 M3 DCT did it in 4.1

Falcao · 01-25-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by P-Town550i

My e92 M3 DCT did it in 4.1

Oy Vey. Forget about 0-60. This is 2013. Who the heck still punches from 0.
Look at RaceLogic 17.87sec in previous video from 50mph-155mph. Difference from stock is over 2 sec. 2 Sec difference is eternity at those speeds.
Can your M3 DCT do 17.87sec from 50mph-155mph? Probably NOT

M5007 · 01-26-2013, 12:33 AM

I like it. But what the hell is it with these tuners and graphics!!!!!

ORIGIN M. · 01-26-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by d_dot

this thing is hideous!

Some bad product fotos that's for damn sure.

Wheels I like - The body work not so much!

TheRealOrosie · 01-26-2013, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcao

Oy Vey. Forget about 0-60. This is 2013. Who the heck still punches from 0.
Look at RaceLogic 17.87sec in previous video from 50mph-155mph. Difference from stock is over 2 sec. 2 Sec difference is eternity at those speeds.
Can your M3 DCT do 17.87sec from 50mph-155mph? Probably NOT

I agree....you can keep adding power, but traction becomes the weak link. Car is still FUGLY.

E92M356789 · 01-26-2013, 09:59 PM

Not feeling it!

Wideboy · 01-28-2013, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Boss330

Hartge is classed as a auto manufacturer in Germany and the cars are registered as a Hartge, not a BMW (at least that's what they used to do). That's why they also have to remove the BMW badges, as it's not a BMW anymore.

Cool, i can do my own cars now! I think they just trying (and failing hard) to capitalize on the good BMW models making them supposedly "even better". But anyways, good luck to peeps who dig such stuff, to me looks cheap.

B1gB0x · 02-09-2013, 03:17 AM

Hi
a tuning friend from russia told me something interresting about the m5 from hartge

there was a m5 full tuned from hartge tuning box new downpipes new exhaust system and hartge said it should have now 690hp.
in the evening he drive a race against a m5 from another company with only ecu tuning for 620-640hp and they equally fast.

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jmh Internet Crash Test Dummy 346 Rep 1,055 Posts Drives: F97 X3MC / F80 M3 / F90 M5 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a rock in NH and BOS iTrader: (5)	And some more info at http://www.hartge.de/UploadPDF/F10%2...2011500560.pdf and http://www.hartge.de/ under M --> F10 M5 -- > Engine for pricing/video Hartge is a very reputable tuner and their tunes/products have always been top-notch It's just a shame that Turner is not doing more with them like they've been in the past. I'd rather use their tune than any other two man garage company offering them today.... __________________ 21 F97 X3MC Toronto Red/Black and more \| 18 F80 M3 Tanzanite Blue/Amaro/CCB and more 15 F10 M5 Individual / Brilliant White / Extended/Full Cohiba Brown (Exec/Driver/B&O/20") / A few Euro add-ons / Stealth K40 / Upgraded B&O / ///M Performance Carbon Interior Trim / IND / Akrapovic Evolution Exhaust / HRE S107
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