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05-03-2011, 11:57 AM | #111 |
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and hks, you really don't get it. BMW spent years building up the M brand and how their formula for a sport sedan is the winning recipe, making them the "ultimate driving machine." Well, with introductions like the new m5 and m3, they have undercut all their core beliefs and pillars that have upheld the m division and brand. Do you understand? they are hypocrites. Major major hypocrites. they dumped everything that made m cars special all for money. this is equivalent to porsche dumping the rear engine platform, blackberry dumping enterprise email, apple ditching the iphone or ipod, or toyota making prius gas guzzlers (imagine the outrage).
m should really just continue what they have been doing, which is very similar to apple's strategy. they both work. make products the way they see fit (NA, high revving). then continue to talk shit on every other product other there (like when they shit talk fwd). and claim you are the best (ultimate driving machine). m and apple have been wildly successful at doing that. why change what works? |
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05-03-2011, 12:14 PM | #113 | |
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Problem is, who wants to buy the RWD M5 when they know they will be beaten out by the AWD M5 (off the line)... I mean its like the audi R8 V8 and the V10, like the 335i and the 328i it makes buying the RWD a hard decision, hell a few M cars only see the track only. once you throw in some corners the AWD goes UNNNNNNNNDERSTEERING... Snow tires work for me just fine
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05-03-2011, 12:26 PM | #114 | |
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As for M making engines the way the see fit? thats exactly what they are doing by moving on to FI motors, not much more they could do with NA motors while keeping these cars in the same "price bracket". Also with rising gas prices, M would take HUGE hit if they did not adress the issue of fuel economy. maybe you have deep pockets and gas mean nothing to you but unfortunately that isn't the case for everyone buying M cars. one thing you have to understand with businesses is that as time goes on the market never stays the same, therefore they must adapt in order to survive. it's pretty damn easy to understand if you take sometime (no more than 5 seconds) to think about it. |
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05-03-2011, 12:54 PM | #115 |
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this is all about m being hypocrites. they spent years talking up their product about their winning formula and being the ultimate driving machine. that was how they built their brand, and then they dump everything out the window and follow the direction that they have criticized. the difference between porsche and bmw is that porsche didnt spend years criticizing turbos and then create the tt. that is the difference. bmw did, and thats where i fault bmw on.
if porsche can make DI engines that get 26mpg, then i dont see why m cant. |
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I'm sure no one complained when they added a convenience and comfort package to the M cars. I'm also sure there weren't THAT many complaints when the M3 was equipped with a V8. What happened to the heritage of the world's best I6 engine? Like others have said, the customers wants have changed. The cars themselves have changed as well. Customers wanted more power and they're going to get it, granted, it's with turbos but it IS what the people asked for. And for all this power, AWD may have to be an option, seeing that it's getting to a point where it'll be too much for RWD to handle. I'm sure BMW has lost quite a few sales to Audi for lack of AWD in their premiere cars. Last edited by grieverr; 05-03-2011 at 01:11 PM.. |
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05-03-2011, 01:59 PM | #118 |
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That is cool and all, but there re going to be to many M models. BMW is making an m version of everything next thing you know there's going to be an M version of the s1000rr.
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It's like selling an ice machine to an Eskimo! Some simply never learn, well too bad for them. May those fools be happy with their AWD and X-Drive and other things I classify under "items Humanity will never need", although sold just because some marketing specialist "created a need". |
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05-03-2011, 04:34 PM | #121 | |
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MSRP M3 - 58K 911 - 78K Huge difference, 34%, people dont just have an extra 34% they can through in. 911 is in another league of performance and status and therefore it is in another league of price
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05-03-2011, 08:14 PM | #123 |
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Huh??? I drive my M5 in the winter and M3 in the summer. Say again?
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However, I would be more than happy to replace one of my SUV's with an AWD M5 and move to a true fun car instead of the F. The M5 isn't designed to be a track car, in spite of what some say. Quote:
Not everyone wants or needs an AWD M5 but there are some that do. Retarded comment. Clearly no idea. Enjoy your garage queen. |
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05-04-2011, 12:01 AM | #127 |
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Get over it guys. Choose not to buy the AWD variant and BMW will likely kill it off. Talk with your money, not your whining. For those looking to stick to BMW but want something in the Audi lineup, why not get this?
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05-04-2011, 09:41 AM | #129 | |
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And as I said in my previous posts, I live in the mountains, where there is generally a large amount of snow for a good portion of the year. When I come off the mountains (which is daily) and my altitude drops drastically, the weather gets much better and I dont enjoy driving SUV's on my back mountain roads. I have an 335xi, a CLS55 AMG and an ML500, with an AWD M car I could essentially combine two of my cars, and save a hell of a lot of money. To me, this is a fantastic idea, Im sorry you and others dont feel the same way. |
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05-04-2011, 12:58 PM | #130 |
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I think its great and should help boost sales which is a good thing for all ///M enthusiasts so we get more cars in the future and don't let the eco-boys destroy the brand.
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05-05-2011, 10:49 AM | #132 | |
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BTW, the people who using the 911 Turbo, Gallardo, GT-R, and Audi R8 as examples--two of those are 911 competitors, and one is a Ferrari V8 competitor (outright in terms of layout)...All have been criticized for lack of driver involvement due to AWD, and the heaviness that their AWD systems incurr. As for the GT-R, it is RWD in the it's race spec...The Porsche 911 Turbo has been criticized for being too soft, the Gallardo for not being as exciting as the Ferrari 430/458, and the R8--well, remeber the TT-RS has bested it to 60, via it's DSG tranny... Would I like to have all, hell yeah...but a AWD variant of the M5? Just for people who moved their tails to the snow belt, move your tail to another place if you want certain things...If I want snow yet I move to Rio---that's on me...but, I'll take the pretty beaches over snow anyday... |
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