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      04-20-2012, 09:07 AM   #1
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Post Sport Auto Tests M5 F10 vs Panamera Turbo S and E63 AMG PP. M5 Dynos at 620 HP!

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Sport Auto Tests M5 F10 vs Panamera Turbo S and E63 AMG PP. M5 Dynos at 620 HP!
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Here are the results of Sport Auto's comparison test among the M5 F10, Panamera Turbo S, and E63 AMG Performance Package. The M5 doesn't come out on top in the raw number categories, but still gets the nod from Sport Auto for its handling and overall dynamic package.


1st place: BMW M5 - 620 hp on the dyno (claimed: 560)

Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport
Weight: 1963 kg (4,327 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.3 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.0 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/5.6 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.2 s/15.3 s
18 m slalom: 66.3 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 150.0 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:13.6 min


2nd place: Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 555 hp on the dyno (claimed: 550)

Tires: Michelin Pilot Supersport N0
Weight: 2024 kg (4,462 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 3.7 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 12.4 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.6 s/7.0 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 11.9 s/16.8 s
18 m slalom: 65.0 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 34.9 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 144.2 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:12.1 min



3nd place: Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG PP - 610 hp on the dyno (claimed: 557)

Tires: Continental Sport Contact 5P
Weight: 1941 kg (4,279 lb)
0-100 km/h (62 mph): 4.4 s
0-200 km/h (124 mph): 13.2 s
Flexibility (80-120 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 4.5 s/6.4 s
Flexibility (80-180 km/h) (50-75 mph) in 5th/6th gear: 12.0 s/16.2 s
18 m slalom: 64.9 km/h
Braking (100-0 km/h) (62-0 mph), warm: 37.5 m
Braking (200-0 km/h) (124-0 mph), warm: 151.8 m
Laptime (Kleiner Kurs Hockenheim): 1:14.6 min



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      04-20-2012, 01:06 PM   #2
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Among the 3 manufacturers, BMW is the only one that had a big difference between claimed HP and dyno HP.

Keeping it subtle eh BMW?

for the win!
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      04-20-2012, 01:08 PM   #3
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Wow, but somehow I'm not surprised... Love this new M5 in so many ways!

Thanks for posting this.
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      04-20-2012, 01:11 PM   #4
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Mercedes was just as underrated.

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Among the 3 manufacturers, BMW is the only one that had a big difference between claimed HP and dyno HP.

Keeping it subtle eh BMW?

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      04-20-2012, 01:16 PM   #5
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Wow that's a huge underrated difference!!
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Also worth noting- The M5 is the CHEAPEST!
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      04-20-2012, 01:20 PM   #7
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How is it that it's 620 on the dyno and 560 to the crank? I thought if anything it'd put out less power on the dyno. Am I wrong?
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How is it that it's 620 on the dyno and 560 to the crank? I thought if anything it'd put out less power on the dyno. Am I wrong?
I think you were talking about whp, on wheel horsepower, whp would always be less than bhp
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How is it that it's 620 on the dyno and 560 to the crank? I thought if anything it'd put out less power on the dyno. Am I wrong?
BMW classically underrates the power. I didn't think it would be that underrated, but that is usually the case.
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I think you were talking about whp, on wheel horsepower, whp would always be less than bhp
Isn't whp what is shown on a Dyno??
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Isn't whp what is shown on a Dyno??
But in this article its showing the estimated bhp based on the whp dyno results they got.
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So....those are not WHP numbers? Why don't they just let us have the WHP numbers, instead of extrapolating the crank HP? (I'm assuming they didn't remove the engines and measure them at the crank)
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So....those are not WHP numbers? Why don't they just let us have the WHP numbers, instead of extrapolating the crank HP? (I'm assuming they didn't remove the engines and measure them at the crank)
because the lay person won't know the difference and that is the market. What magazine in print notes WHP? None that are mainstream, as there is no way to compare outside the test.
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porsche has the worst power to weight ratio but best 0-100 lol. this story is full of "what gives" hahaha.
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porsche has the worst power to weight ratio but best 0-100 lol. this story is full of "what gives" hahaha.
That's because it's AWD. Going to put down its power easier from stop.

And it better be faster. It starts at $173,000 US! That's almost double the US M5 base price

Shows how good of a performance bargain the m5 is for its price.
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That's because it's AWD. Going to put down its power easier from stop.

And it better be faster. It starts at $173,000 US! That's almost double the US M5 base price

Shows how good of a performance bargain the m5 is for its price.
And it's a true sedan- not a 4 door coupe.

Can't wait to see how the M6 Gran Coupe tests against the Panny and CLS63- much more fair and realistic IMHO.

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It is crazy how close the M5 and E63 are performance/speed wise. Each test they are literally right on top of each other. Looks like the M5 still is the better handling car, no surprise there.

It makes me wonder how hard BMW is pushing that 4.4L to match the speed of the other two that have more displacement. Looking at recent ecu tunes for the E63, Benz left a lot of power on the table for modders.

The Porsche is expensive, but damn it hauls the mail. It continues to pull the further down the road you get.

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Just realized the Panamera lapped 1.5 seconds quicker than the M5 with more weight and less HP.

Give credit to the Porsche engineers. Defying the laws of physics.
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Something doesn't seem right with those dyno numbers.
Its funny that all of these cars are making more power to the wheels then at the crank.
But then again they are only numbers, its the actual track numbers that count.
I'm really impressed with the F10 M5.
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I was confused and thought the dyno was showing 620 to the wheels, but 620 to the crank is significantly more than what BMW states. That's pretty nice though.
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Add the confusion. That 620hp number makes some of the early tuners look rather silly.
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Why did the other first dyno say 571 PS at the crank?
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