12-29-2012, 08:07 PM | #111 | |
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Well said and I agree. I always loved BMW. They were clearly the sporting choice of german luxury. They sold out for more sales and to one up Mercedes in luxury car sales. In the process, they became more and more disconnected to their core buyers. Now Audi, the ever boring Audi, makes some really nice looking and performing cars. I NEVER liked Audi for their boring, safe, yuppy styling and boring performing cars, Now, I would easily rather buy and Audi S6, S7 and S8 over the equivalent competitor from BMW. |
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12-29-2012, 08:41 PM | #112 |
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Most tests have yielded a slight difference in times, so I would have to assume a 1 or 2 sec improvement in the Lightning lap with ZCP.
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12-29-2012, 09:00 PM | #113 |
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Starting with the next 7 series BMW will light-up their cars...
LCI 5 series will receive the updated 50i engine from the 6 GC so I don't see any advantage from S6 over it Audi has some really good cars these days, like R8 and S8, but they are not so many |
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12-29-2012, 09:03 PM | #114 |
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Where is the M135i? Or is that not on sale in the US? Australian Motor magazine just had their annual performance car cup, and had M135i in there too. Very interesting lap time from the baby MPA especially compared to M5 and it's fellow hot hatches including arguably the best hot hatch in the world (Megane RS265).
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12-29-2012, 09:22 PM | #115 |
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The new M5 outperforms the old M5 in every performance aspect. It is arguably the best car BMW makes right now. For all the haters that are trashing BMW M, there is truth that the division is geared more towards marketing and sales, but who can argue with that, BMW is a company and is run like a business. That's not however mutually exclusive from making incredibly capable cars. To me M cars were about the total package, not whether it could lap a circuit faster than any other competitor. After driving an M3 and now an M5, I would never consider a regular series BMW, that is just how good M cars are. And for those who continue to complain about the direction of M division, I hope that you don't just listen to forum banter but rather go and drive these cars and evaluate them yourselves. If you don't like them, buy something else.
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12-29-2012, 10:47 PM | #117 |
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I tested out an F10 M5 a few days ago and I was let down a bit. It's definitely faster than the E60, but it's also heavier, more isolated and more numb. It lacked the character of other M cars I've owned or driven. I could see myself owning one, but there was no feeling of "Wow, I need to have one of these!"
I also test drove one of those the same day (along with an E63 and an R8 4.2.) All I'll say is that I was also impressed by the 911 S. Really, really impressed.
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12-30-2012, 12:56 AM | #120 | |
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M has marketing power and I can respect wanting to build your company... but ? ...Toyotafication / VWification scares me
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12-30-2012, 01:08 AM | #121 | |
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..I was scratching my head after reading this as well....
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..HA! ... IMHO the interiors of Camaros are unsettleing
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12-30-2012, 01:16 AM | #124 |
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While many might lament the M halo cars new softer demeanor, if you want a good performance BMW, forget about driving a 520d (even though its a great car) and bagging the bragging rights at the pub that yours is basically the same as the one on the M5 (because it just isn't)...
Rather look nearer to the bottom end of the range; M135i, 135i coupe, anything with a 35 on it. BMW are just making drivers cars more accessible (why I 'em) and for that you gotta stop worrying about numbers, snobbery and get on with buying what you like because its great to drive, if that's REALLY all you want. I know people who wouldn't buy a 1M just because its got the '1' on it, and they want at least 3 or higher. If that is the way you think (and I suspect a few here do), then its your own fault for being so upset, so the M5 (sedan) and M6 (grand tourer of note) is slower than some real high powered muscle cars, who cares? need to get over yourselves... (Reminds me of Honda in the 1990's. Drive any new honda today to get an idea how far any company can go astray in pursuit of a quick buck.) |
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12-30-2012, 07:20 AM | #126 |
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I hear alot of complainers, if you prefer the camaro or audi rs5 go buy them and post the picture to this thread, but you wont because bmw still makes the best all around car and i see no end to that legacy. You want bmw to make a car with the best luxury sport sex appeal and for 5k less than the competitor, cmon. The best way to show dislike is to take your $ elsewhere...
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In that case if myself and many don't like the new M cars that car coming out then we can still buy the previous years M cars. It's not like their isn't anymore around or for sale. Yes their used, but as we know BMW are made to last and I know because my moms BMW has been in a few big accidents and its still running strong if not better than a few other brands. I've test drove the new M line up. Not my cup of tie, but not because of its performance but because its not my style, not even the E92 M3. I prefer the 1M. But that's what I like small cars. Like the mini coupe, e46 m3, 135i, lotus and future M2. BMW is at its high because it makes every car to each person likes and expectations. That's why their making so many classes. How is a M5 going to perform like a camaro when it's a luxury yet sporty when u need it. You can track it, but it wasn't made for that. Yet the camaro zl1 was only made for one thing and that was track or performance, call it what you want. Your not going to take your family on a long trip with a loud exhaust or a uncomfortable suspension right.
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The M5 is not a track car. Period. I think that is where most people are missing the point. I bought my M5 because I wanted a capable fun to drive executive salon that is a pleasure to drive in the city then on a long distance trip. There is no car on the market at its price point that compares to the M5. Yes it is heavy, but the DCT paired with the V8TT is pure pleasure to drive. If I wanted something to take to the track, an E92 M is what I would buy over any Chevy. It's the overall package, not that it does so well on a circuit. We're all boy racers at heart, but lets be honest, 99% of us are not buying these cars to track them seriously. |
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Thank you!!! You said it perfectly!!! And like someone else mentioned earlier, its funny how out of 100 or so posts, most of the complainers\whiners don't even own an ///M car or they "test drove" one for 20-30 minutes... Give me a break. How can you get a true feel of a car from a 20-30 minute test drive in the city???? Most of these complainers\whiners have probably never tracked a car much less a brand new M5 or M6 Yet, they're whining about track times of the M5 and M6 compared to cars that aren't even in its class. Really? Wow.. What's really sad is that even my girlfriend knows that the Camaro is a muscle car, the RS5's direct competitor is the M3 and the M6 is a GT car and none of which are even in the same segment..
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For the folks who like comparing apples to oranges
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Improved suspension, quicker steering, bigger brakes... yeah you're right, since the HP numbers aren't increased, there's no performance boost at all. Sounds like modern M cars are perfect for you.
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