Twitter Trainwreck

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Lots of that these days.



What's funny is everyone talks about twitter and quotes shit from twitter yet I can't think of a single person I know who uses twitter.

I've never met one person in my entire life who has ever used Twitter and tweets random stuff.

Kids these days are on TikTok anyways.

SM is Tik Tok

GAP

IG

Marinara trench gap

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Twitter

[Bingham]

Mr. Musk IMO, is a visionary disrupter. He and his fan base are not really my cup of tea, however, I tip my cap to visionaries that make sure the establishment isn’t to established…

…and if it were easy, everyone would do it.

[wtwo3]

Came here expecting memes...

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Lots of that these days.



What's funny is everyone talks about twitter and quotes shit from twitter yet I can't think of a single person I know who uses twitter.

Yeah it's just a small vocal minority of narcissists who actually use Twitter. Twitter has given every idiot in America a platform to share their dumb opinions. And now we live in a world where politicians, corporations, etc. all have to bend over backward to the moral standards of extremists on Twitter.

[vreihen16]

I don't know about anyone else, but I (as a social media non-user) am hoping that Musk buys TikTok and Facebook next!!!!!

[eluded]

Changing a companies culture is not easy to do. It usually takes years and years and years and he has done it in one month. Hats off.

[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by eluded

Changing a companies culture is not easy to do. It usually takes years and years and years and he has done it in one month. Hats off.

Easy to do when you get rid of all the people in the company. The question now is "whose left?" Is is the "Whales", the supposed 10% of the people who actually do all the work? Or is it the under-performers who have hunkered down and will take the abuse?

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by DETRoadster

Easy to do when you get rid of all the people in the company. The question now is "whose left?" Is is the "Whales", the supposed 10% of the people who actually do all the work? Or is it the under-performers who have hunkered down and will take the abuse?

Time will tell, but I suspect Musk is smart enough to know who to keep and who to let go. Interesting times.

[Tyga11]

Originally Posted by minn19

I agree with some things and that things are the way they are in the US especially and corporate culture in general. I very much disagree with it continuing though. What is the point of Musk coming in and making enemies with thousands of people? Many who he needs as has been shown by his backtracking on some of this. How does this help anything? Also, study after study has shown that employees with better work life balance are much more productive. I think we are nuts what we ask employees to do in some cases and it is counter productive usually for all involved. Just because something has been done one way forever doesn’t mean it is the right way. And no, a lot of people don’t have a choice and just have to take it for various reasons.

Musk still may turn it around, but he has definitely made it harder for himself and everyone else their that truly wants to stay and turn it around. Again, what is the point of that?

Elon built Tesla with this philosophy and there's probably a good argument it wouldn't be where it is if he hadn't.

He lives and breathes his companies and expects everyone around him to be dedicated to the effort.

I'm not saying I would enjoy working for him - but if you were a Twitter employee and weren't prepared for this and looking for other opportunities that's on them.

As far as work / life balance - that's never been a realistic solution for Tesla to achieve 50% YOY growth which it has done and continues to be their goal.

If you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen

[Mingwan]

Be funny if Elon restaffed Twitter with gov’t employees.

[ASAP]

The way that I understand this fiasco is Musk was forced to buy Twitter due to some of his public antics with the SEC and that he was doing an audit on them without making an offer... if he hadn't gone thru with it, he would have been sued to oblivion and dealt with legal cases to oblivion.

It's honestly on him and he did this to himself... the reality is that it's a failing company and I doubt he can truly turn it around... now he is starting to understand the shit show he got himself into... which I presume he knew that's what it was, which is why he delayed the whole thing to try to undervalue... well that backfired in a spectacular fashion

As far as the workers... well if they leave that's their perogative... but if there is anything that I am learning recently with the layoffs that have been happening in tech, these companies are massively overstaffed and the positions that keep getting laid off are some nonsensical overhead positions. No one from Finance, Tech that's needed has really been let go...

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

Elon built Tesla with this philosophy and there's probably a good argument it wouldn't be where it is if he hadn't.

He lives and breathes his companies and expects everyone around him to be dedicated to the effort.

I'm not saying I would enjoy working for him - but if you were a Twitter employee and weren't prepared for this and looking for other opportunities that's on them.

As far as work / life balance - that's never been a realistic solution for Tesla to achieve 50% YOY growth which it has done and continues to be their goal.

If you can't take the heat - get out of the kitchen

Not taking away what he and his workers have built at Tesla, but what gets lost in this and pisses me off about Musk……….he never admits to the massive government subsidies (billions) that kept him and his businesses going. Also extremely ironic he’s decided to be a Republican, who never would have gone for the tax breaks on his electric cars etc etc.

We don’t know it if has been or hasn’t been realistic or not. He seems never to have tried it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon...ty-2021-12?amp

[Leucosticte]

Originally Posted by minn19

Last, why is it assumed that if someone doesn’t want to go “hardcore” they are automatically considered slackers and not productive/important employees?

I mean the average Twitter employee is the type of person who complains about their salary while making 150k (or more) a year, I don't feel bad for them.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Leucosticte

I mean the average Twitter employee is the type of person who complains about their salary while making 150k (or more) a year, I don't feel bad for them.

Curious as to how all of you guys supposedly know this info?

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by minn19

Curious as to how all of you guys supposedly know this info?

Wild guess but I'm going with... Google? Way more useful than Twitter.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Wild guess but I'm going with... Google? Way more useful than Twitter.

I actually agree with that, I’m guessing that number is pretty skewed by the top earners. Would be surprised if thousands of people were making well into six figures, maybe.

This seems a bit more accurate, still not bad though.

https://www.comparably.com/companies/twitter/salaries

Edit: Being based in San Fran though it actually isn’t that good.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by minn19

I actually agree with that, I’m guessing that number is pretty skewed by the top earners. Would be surprised if thousands of people were making well into six figures, maybe.

I would not be surprised if most of the actual tech people make that or more. The admin staff and others probably not. Also I'm sure salaries would be higher in the SF office than in some of their other offices due to cost of living (not even sure where all their offices are).

Still I don't think there's a ton of broke people working at Twitter. I've also heard a lot of the times the salary at these big tech giants might be less than at smaller places because of all the perks they offer. Not sure how accurate that is, but I've heard it many times.

[Murf the Surf]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

Lots of that these days.



What's funny is everyone talks about twitter and quotes shit from twitter yet I can't think of a single person I know who uses twitter.

So lots of comments here from folks that seem to know a lot about Twitter, at the same time saying they don't use it or know anyone who does. Not signalling you out but using your comment to make my point.

I have been on Twitter for about a year or so, it is a vomitorium. Having said that, it can be entertaining, and informative but you have to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

So lots of comments here from folks that seem to know a lot about Twitter, at the same time saying they don't use it or know anyone who does. Not signalling you out but using your comment to make my point.

I have been on Twitter for about a year or so, it is a vomitorium. Having said that, it can be entertaining, and informative but you have to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I was obviously joking when I said I didn't know what twitter was. I definitely don't use it though. However to your point even as someone who doesn't use twitter directly I'm still constantly exposed to it. You have entire news articles based on so and so tweeted something with screen shots of their twitter. I almost never see a FB post quoted in the news. Rarely if ever do I click a link on a news article and get sent to FB or IG or anything else. I don't even think twitter has that many users compared to other social media sites. I dunno it's a weird duck.

[Leucosticte]

Originally Posted by minn19

Curious as to how all of you guys supposedly know this info?

My best friend's cousin who works for Google in San Francisco. He's around those types all the time as you might imagine.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Leucosticte

My best friend's cousin who works for Google in San Francisco. He's around those types all the time as you might imagine.

Third party info from a company of 7500 people, totally clears it up top to bottom.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by Leucosticte

I mean the average Twitter employee is the type of person who complains about their salary while making 150k (or more) a year, I don't feel bad for them.

More interesting, perhaps, is how far a 2022 $150K salary doesn't go in Baghdad by the Bay. I lived in the City from grade school through retirement (1994, age 45) and began earning in six figures doing tech work in the early 80s. To say wages went further at that time doesn't begin to describe the cost of living changes that have taken place since that time in both the country and the Bay Area (more so the latter).

I used a very sharp pencil back then to ensure that I could get out as early as possible, and I think I have a fairly decent understanding of what a $150K salary has to offer a young(er) person today who is working in the Bay Area.

Something that hasn't changed very much - if you're single and earning $150K today - are income and payroll taxes. That is, the effective/average tax rates for a California resident earning that inflation-adjusted wage have changed very little. At present, Federal income taxes are going to take 20% of a $150K gross wage; California is going to take another 8%; and, FICA will take 7.65%. That leaves the wage-earner $96,500 with which to pay for everything else, and that's where it gets interesting.

Today's average one- and two-bedroom apartment rents in the City are $3K and $4K, and that's down significantly from a few short years ago. It's worth noting that the average apartment in the City is not particularly desirable; the units suited to a well-paid tech engineer will run at least 50% more. Let's say $5K/mo. for a unit worthy of where you've come from, your education, your professional status, and who you may wish to attract to be a part of your life. There goes a quick $60K of the $96,500 you had left after taxes. Roommates are clearly a solution to this particular part of the problem.

But let's say you've skipped the roommate route and are now left with $36,500/year of disposable income. Out of that, you're going to fund your retirement (hopefully), feed yourself from very expensive grocery stores and/or even more expensive restaurants, pay for at least semi-regular Uber/Lyft rides unless you're willing to deal with Muni/BART), pay for the toys you absolutely need to have (not a BMW!), buy the clothing you need and feel you have to have, pay for dates out, pay for trips home to see family and friends, and on, and on, and on...until it's all gone.

In the context of all that, $3K/mo. in the City isn't going to go very far at all, and those earning those wages have made that clear in social media posts for the past few years. They're not serfs, but they're not going to live anything like the American dream doing what they're doing. My take is that it's not the cool kids who are chopping code for the likes of Apple, Facebook, Google, Microsoft, Twitter, et al.

As always, this is only my 2¢.