Lexus RCF

[DS_BMW]

Are there good discounts to be had on the RCF? Might look into this or the M235i, I know they are much different. Lease rates on the M2 look to be bad. Want to get out of my 428 soon!

[nick3753]

Better luck posting this question on Club Lexus forum. Also checking sites like Edmonds and truecar might be helpful.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Are there good discounts to be had on the RCF? Might look into this or the M235i, I know they are much different. Lease rates on the M2 look to be bad. Want to get out of my 428 soon!

Why don't you look at m4?GT350 or Camaro or Vette Z51

[gthal]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Are there good discounts to be had on the RCF? Might look into this or the M235i, I know they are much different. Lease rates on the M2 look to be bad. Want to get out of my 428 soon!

Drive one before you buy it... I drove one and I would pick anything M over it. Even if the M came with a cost premium. The RCF was not Lexus' best effort.

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Why don't you look at m4?GT350 or Camaro or Vette Z51

I want something that will be daily driven with a back seat. That will lease out well.

[lens]

Originally Posted by gthal

Drive one before you buy it... I drove one and I would pick anything M over it. Even if the M came with a cost premium. The RCF was not Lexus' best effort.

Honestly, I did too and it wasn't that bad. What kept the car in the back of my mind is the reliability.

I could drive the car over 150,000KM and not have to worry about water pumps or anything breaking, and if it does it will be pretty cheap to repair.

Interior isn't bad, seats are comfy, and the customer service is exceptional, I've never felt so welcome and important at a dealership before.

It's not the fastest in the world but it's fast enough.

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I want something that will be daily driven with a back seat. That will lease out well.

Originally Posted by chaungo

Honestly, I did too and it wasn't that bad. What kept the car in the back of my mind is the reliability.

I could drive the car over 150,000KM and not have to worry about water pumps or anything breaking, and if it does it will be pretty cheap to repair.

Interior isn't bad, seats are comfy, and the customer service is exceptional, I've never felt so welcome and important at a dealership before.

It's not the fastest in the world but it's fast enough.

Yes, there are deals. From Club Lexus: "MSRP on my RCF was $73,074. Negotiate to $63,999 and additional $3,000 in lease cash from Lexus financial services. Only put $500 down, 0.0009 money factor and 59% residual. I added the wheel and tire package. 10,000 miles per month and 36 months. I pay $755/month (This deal was done in November. I think you should be able to lease for less than $650/mo)" Read more: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...#ixzz41z0nj6CV

[SakhirM4]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Yes, there are deals: "MSRP on my RCF was $73,074. Negotiate to $63,999 and additional $3,000 in lease cash from Lexus financial services. Only put $500 down, 0.0009 money factor and 59% residual. I added the wheel and tire package. 10,000 miles per month and 36 months. I pay $755/month (This deal was done in November. I think you should be able to lease for less than $650/mo)"

Read more: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...#ixzz41z0nj6CV

10,000 per month ????

[DS_BMW]

Originally Posted by G8rGrl

Yes, there are deals: "MSRP on my RCF was $73,074. Negotiate to $63,999 and additional $3,000 in lease cash from Lexus financial services. Only put $500 down, 0.0009 money factor and 59% residual. I added the wheel and tire package. 10,000 miles per month and 36 months. I pay $755/month (This deal was done in November. I think you should be able to lease for less than $650/mo)"

Read more: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/rc-f...#ixzz41z0nj6CV

I think that is a lot of car if you can obtain one at 650-700 a month.

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

10,000 per month ????

LOL. I copied and pasted the post. Poster probably meant per year. That would be the lease of a lifetime!

[gtron]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

Are there good discounts to be had on the RCF? Might look into this or the M235i, I know they are much different. Lease rates on the M2 look to be bad. Want to get out of my 428 soon!

There are huge discounts to be had on the RC-F. Especially if you find a 2015. The problem is that all the dealers that are discounting them have them loaded to about $80k MSRP so even with the discount it's a hard pill to swallow IMO. I drove a few and they were fun but not $80k fun. They feel closer to $60k fun.

That's all my opinion though so they might be worth driving. Perhaps you'll love it and feel they're worth it!

[Mywifes335]

I wasnt going to chime in on this one but if you're considering an RCF vs M235i/M4....no offense, but check out the Top Gear review of the RCF. It's not even in the same category.

The RCF is more of a GT car. It'll be considerably faster than the 428i, but not a contender vs the M4, M2, or even an M235i with a JB4. It's priced at $63k, M4 territory and well above the M235i and M2.

Car and Driver calls it the Japanese Camaro. Note: current Camaro is a better option IMHO

But, in all fairness, it's got a great (but old) V8 and a ton of creature comforts. It's very heavy and the looks are polarizing. If it's your cup of tea, go for it. Otherwise, save $10-15k and get an M2 or M235i.

http://m.caranddriver.com/lexus/rc-f

At $60k you are open to a ton of choices. You can see my other thread polling the forum on this subject.

[Mywifes335]

More:

It's really about what you want out of a car. If you want a fast performance car that brakes and handles well, the RCF is probably behind a dozen other cars. Just a few:

M2
M4
ATS-V
C43
Corvette Z51
GT350/350R
Camaro SS
Audi TTRS

If you want a potentially trouble-free, comfy car with a lot of doodads, then it's your choice.

I know a guy who just sold his ISF and bought an F30 M3 and will never turn back.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Why don't you look at m4?GT350 or Camaro or Vette Z51

+1 if you want a REAL sports car

[louielouie]

With the current lease coverage (brakes, wipers etc), it seems like a bad idea not to lease a BMW over Lexus, which covers an oil change and not much else. If you're financing, that's a completely different story. To get value out of the car, you'll have to drive it at least 4 years considering most of the depreciation happens in the 1st 2.

I bought a Lexus and regretted it quite a bit. The 2014 IS I had came with Bridgeston Potenzas and I ended up having to shell out $1k for PSSs at 20k miles. Dumped the car after pouring quite a bit of money on maintenance and a bunch of bad luck with it. I either got a lemon, or they're not as reliable as they used to be.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by DS_BMW

I think that is a lot of car if you can obtain one at 650-700 a month.

M3/M4 can be had for that same payment. Just check the for sale section, numerous lease take-overs in that range. BMW really makes it easy to lease their cars.

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

More:

It's really about what you want out of a car. If you want a fast performance car that brakes and handles well, the RCF is probably behind a dozen other cars. Just a few:

M2
M4
ATS-V
C43
Corvette Z51
GT350/350R
Camaro SS
Audi TTRS

If you want a potentially trouble-free, comfy car with a lot of doodads, then it's your choice.

I know a guy who just sold his ISF and bought an F30 M3 and will never turn back.

There seems to be some subjective opinions on your list. While the RCF is heavy and you may not like it, the RCF is just slightly slower than the M4 so definitely will be faster than an M2 and C43.
If given the choice I'd definitely choose it over those two.

And I'm not sure what an F30 M3 is. If you meant he traded for a 335, that's a downgrade from an ISF. I'd rather show up anywhere with an ISF over a 335.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

There seems to be some subjective opinions on your list. While the RCF is heavy and you may not like it, the RCF is just slightly slower than the M4 so definitely will be faster than an M2 and C43.
If given the choice I'd definitely choose it over those two.

And I'm not sure what an F30 M3 is. If you meant he traded for a 335, that's a downgrade from an ISF. I'd rather show up anywhere with an ISF over a 335.

Right, subjective. But they're a culmination of several other folks opinions. Just as your comments are as well. Opinions, by nature, are subjective.

I meant he traded it for a current M3 (F80). Typo.

As far as the RCF, as per the Car and Driver instrumented test, it's a dead heat for an M235i 8MT 0-60 (4.3s), 0.2s quicker on the 1/4. However, significantly slower than an F80 M3/4, in DCT trim does the same in 3.8s and 12 seconds flat. That's almost a full second quicker than the RCF in the 1/4.

That's not subjective.

http://m.caranddriver.com/bmw/m3

The M2 will more than likely post quicker numbers than the RCF as well, albeit not as significant as the F80 M3/4.

[Mywifes335]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

More:

It's really about what you want out of a car. If you want a fast performance car that brakes and handles well, the RCF is probably behind a dozen other cars. Just a few:

M2
M4
ATS-V
C43
Corvette Z51
GT350/350R
Camaro SS
Audi TTRS

If you want a potentially trouble-free, comfy car with a lot of doodads, then it's your choice.

I know a guy who just sold his ISF and bought an F30 M3 and will never turn back.

OP, again, it's really about what you want. These are my suggestions (opinion).


Opinion
noun

1 a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge: "I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance"

[G8rGrl]

Originally Posted by louielouie

With the current lease coverage (brakes, wipers etc), it seems like a bad idea not to lease a BMW over Lexus, which covers an oil change and not much else. If you're financing, that's a completely different story. To get value out of the car, you'll have to drive it at least 4 years considering most of the depreciation happens in the 1st 2.

I bought a Lexus and regretted it quite a bit. The 2014 IS I had came with Bridgeston Potenzas and I ended up having to shell out $1k for PSSs at 20k miles. Dumped the car after pouring quite a bit of money on maintenance and a bunch of bad luck with it. I either got a lemon, or they're not as reliable as they used to be.

Do you like the M2? Was the IS that bad that you didn't want to wait for the M2 and you got the M235i? Just curious, no judgment.

[lens]

Originally Posted by Mywifes335

Right, subjective. But they're a culmination of several other folks opinions. Just as your comments are as well. Opinions, by nature, are subjective.

I meant he traded it for a current M3 (F80). Typo.

As far as the RCF, as per the Car and Driver instrumented test, it's a dead heat for an M235i 8MT 0-60 (4.3s), 0.2s quicker on the 1/4. However, significantly slower than an F80 M3/4, in DCT trim does the same in 3.8s and 12 seconds flat. That's almost a full second quicker than the RCF in the 1/4.

That's not subjective.

http://m.caranddriver.com/bmw/m3

The M2 will more than likely post quicker numbers than the RCF as well, albeit not as significant as the F80 M3/4.

Of course it's slower, it's a V8 NA that weighs 4000lbs+

Again, OP says he's going to DD it. The M2 weighs 25lbs less than the M4.

And that 3.8 seconds is VERY overestimated. That's perfect conditions. In real world conditions, you'll only get between 4-4.3seconds as launching the M3/M4 is retarded as it has too much torque for the 2 rear wheels to handle, the DTC will pop up nonstop.

It's a twin turbo vs NA old V8 that's fairly rare nowadays.

Again, people buy Lexus because shit won't break on them, BMW has a history of stuff breaking prematurely and that's why they lease. That's the difference, people are more likely to own the lexus over bmw.

IMO if he wants a good car, the GT350R destroys the M3/M4 and the RCF. Ford really did a great job.

Or hell he can get the new corvette z06.

[FogCityM3]

I kind of dig the RCF. At least has a rare high power normally aspirated engine, which on a track where linear power curve will be easier and more rewarding to control for most amateur drivers and will probably be as fast in comparison to the M4. Remember the Randy Pobst video was significantly smoother in the RCF with a similar time. Yes he could have improved on the M4 time self admittedly but bottom line is no one here is at that level, so not sure how much of a disadvantage the RCF is in a track situation. Straight line also not entirely clear as M4 launch is difficult. At speed, M4 is faster. Think its a good alternative for something different, more of a GT car but can hold it own on the track and is likely more reliable.

The M4 is losing to Camaro SS in MT comparison, which would have never been fathomed a few years ago. Crazy!